I'm SICK AND TIRED of people saying "Jeff's been an asshole lately because he hasn't been around Annie as much," or "It is OBVIOUS the writers have been trying to keep them separated" ... WHAT THE FUCK!? DO ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WATCH THE SHOW AT ALL!? HE HASN'T BEEN NEAR ANYBODY (except Troy during the last ep) THROUGHOUT THIS SEASON!!!
STOP THINKING YOUR SHIP IS THE CENTER OF THE SHOW. COMMUNITY MOVES FORWARD WITHOUT THE NEED OF A SHIP DOING IT TOO. ASLDUKHADILS.
AND THEN THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY "BUT ROMANCE IS IMPORTANT TOO!!" WHEN MFBGDKFIU I CAN'T EVEN FINISH THAT SENTENCE *super pissed*
Worst thing is, I DO ship Jeff and Annie, and these wackos will surely turn it into a Zutara, or something shitty like that. *RAEG*
Sorry... I'd been bottling that one up for a while... Also, my cable cable company fucked me up and now I can't watch any of the networks I used to watch (THEY TOOK CARTOON NETWORK FROM ME!! CARTOON FUCKING NETWORK!!!)
TBH I do really love Jeff/Annie as it has happened in the actual show. I think it's honestly been handled almost perfectly and while this season has felt off, I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of J/A. So much as it has to do with a lack of Jeff/PEOPLE HE LOVES.
Also if we're talking about important relationships that are a staple of Community as a whole then people need to take into account that there has NOT been a lot of Jeff/Britta-centric plots or Jeff/Abed plots and TO BE 100% HONEST I would put those two relationships as actually the most important or indicative of the show as a whole.
I always get the sense that.. the first people a show centers on inevitably become sort of the crux of the show over all. So I think Jeff-Britta-Abed is a very, very important dynamic that's been 100% absent this season and I think that's... strange for me.
IDK, there are things off with this season, but honestly I just think it boils down to them trying to churn out too many "BIG" plots in the beginning. I don't think there's any one specific element (and certainly not Jeff/Annie or at least not in my opinion) that is what makes this season feel that way.
All big ships turn into Zutara. Haha, that sounds awful, but I do think that the more popular a ship is the more likely that it's going to be the worst part of fandom. Honestly, this has been true for basically every fandom I've been in. Even HA! is a little annoying if you want to do anything but Helga/Arnold. I had the slight Helga/Wolfgang in that one chapter of Trying and I definitely got a message that was like: "I'M ONLY READING THIS FOR H/A YOU BETTER NOT HOOK HER UP WITH WOLFGANG." and like... I don't intend to hook her up with Wolfgang, but I'm also super interested in playing with different relationships (this is obviously part of the reason that I love Community so much - the writers aren't afraid to play with combinations).
What's funny with Jeff/Annie fans are that they started out very much as a crack ship, but the more the community and canon backing grows the larger their entitlement becomes. IDK, I feel like there was a time when they J/A was all about being excited for the little things and now it seems like they're getting... pushy. If people wanna think Jeff/Britta are secretly hooking up? You don't have to agree with them, but it's also kind of rude to expect them to defend themselves.
BASICALLY: I like Jeff/Annie! But pretty much exclusively in canon only! The fandom makes me uncomfortable!
Last night I treated myself to a mini-marathon of the last 7 episodes from season one. You know, the ones where Jeff and Britta's relationship reaches a peak. There's also the Chicken Fingers episode, where we get to see one of the most meaningful talks between Jeff and Abed "I'll help you connect with people, and you help me do a better job with them" (or something like that).
So much as it has to do with a lack of Jeff/PEOPLE HE LOVES. This is exactly what's been happening. The thing with community is that we got to know Jeff during last season. Most of the B plots were about the other characters interacting with each other, while Jeff had his own personal growth on the A plot. This season has been moe like... shifting the spotlight to the other characters and their interactions, leaving Jeff with nothing to do. Which AGAIN, is confusing, because he IS the MAIN CHARACTER. Also, is it just me, or have most of the characters been kind of bitter lately? * Britta - season premiere, pen episode (she was really angry) * Shirley - Charlie Kauffman episode * Abed - he wasn't angry, but he was an asshole during the Charlie Kauffman episode * Annie - pen episode * Jeff - religion episode * All of them towards Annie during the Space episode I don't really know how to express it, but their characters DO seem to be a bit more stressed than last season...
Them trying to churn out too many "BIG" plots in the beginning. I get Dan Harmon's fear of being canceled and not having done everything he wanted to, but... BIG episodes are only cool when they're done once in a while :\ You try eating Belgian chocolate every day of the year, and, while it won't stop being delicious, it won't be as special :\ It's like the SPRINKLES effect Modern Warfare had you mentioned.
I'M ONLY READING THIS FOR H/A YOU BETTER NOT HOOK HER UP WITH WOLFGANG." ... I wanted them to DO IT.
I feel like there was a time when they J/A was all about being excited for the little things and now it seems like they're getting... pushy. I miss those days, when one glance would be heart-warming... I don't want them to be in a relationship, or have sex D: Glances are cute and adorable...
If people wanna think Jeff/Britta are secretly hooking up? You don't have to agree with them, but it's also kind of rude to expect them to defend themselves. I... here's the thing... I don't mind it if Jeff/Britta shippers think they are hooking up, and are happy about it (however, I still don't SEE the hints to that... it would be pretty fun tho... I've been on a Jeff/Britta mood for the past couple of days). I'm PISSED at Jeff/Annie shippers who think Jeff and Britta are secretly hooking up, and are ANGRY about that. HOW DARE YOU BE ANGRY AT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE HAPPENING.
BASICALLY: I like Jeff/Annie! But pretty much exclusively in canon only! The fandom makes me uncomfortable! SO MUCH THIS. I've read a couple of fics. They both annoyed me with Jeff's "secret love" UGH.
I'm really sorry about this hugeass comment... it's just nice being able to talk about this...
Lol, I do realize that a lot of Zutara shippers are awesome (same goes for J/A fans), but I have a definite tendency to fixate on the non-awesome parts. And the bigger the fandom the more room for crazy, I think. XD
Hahaha, I grabbed it from some post over the general comm (http://carly-icons.livejournal.com/16006.html#cutid1). I plan on making my own (same screencap, of course), because I don't like using other people's icons (even if they're meant for everyone to grab, I like being a special little snowflake). But this comment deserved an ANGRY MUPPET JEFF FACE >C
LOL I know you're all not bad *hugs*. I'm a closet Zutarian (which means I kinda shipped them, but I didn't really care, and didn't wan't anybody else to find out). But you gotta admit... wanting to rewrite the ending of a show just because your ship doesn't share the final kiss is kind of insane :\
The ship war over the A:tLA fandom was just terrible TBH. That's why I love being a slasher. Nobody expects Jet and Zuko to live happily ever after. We're in it just for the fun and the gay porn.
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Date: 2010-11-17 08:32 pm (UTC)I'm SICK AND TIRED of people saying "Jeff's been an asshole lately because he hasn't been around Annie as much," or "It is OBVIOUS the writers have been trying to keep them separated"
...
WHAT THE FUCK!?
DO ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WATCH THE SHOW AT ALL!? HE HASN'T BEEN NEAR ANYBODY (except Troy during the last ep) THROUGHOUT THIS SEASON!!!
STOP THINKING YOUR SHIP IS THE CENTER OF THE SHOW. COMMUNITY MOVES FORWARD WITHOUT THE NEED OF A SHIP DOING IT TOO. ASLDUKHADILS.
AND THEN THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY "BUT ROMANCE IS IMPORTANT TOO!!" WHEN MFBGDKFIU I CAN'T EVEN FINISH THAT SENTENCE *super pissed*
Worst thing is, I DO ship Jeff and Annie, and these wackos will surely turn it into a Zutara, or something shitty like that. *RAEG*
Sorry... I'd been bottling that one up for a while...
Also, my cable cable company fucked me up and now I can't watch any of the networks I used to watch (THEY TOOK CARTOON NETWORK FROM ME!! CARTOON FUCKING NETWORK!!!)
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Date: 2010-11-17 09:21 pm (UTC)Also if we're talking about important relationships that are a staple of Community as a whole then people need to take into account that there has NOT been a lot of Jeff/Britta-centric plots or Jeff/Abed plots and TO BE 100% HONEST I would put those two relationships as actually the most important or indicative of the show as a whole.
I always get the sense that.. the first people a show centers on inevitably become sort of the crux of the show over all. So I think Jeff-Britta-Abed is a very, very important dynamic that's been 100% absent this season and I think that's... strange for me.
IDK, there are things off with this season, but honestly I just think it boils down to them trying to churn out too many "BIG" plots in the beginning. I don't think there's any one specific element (and certainly not Jeff/Annie or at least not in my opinion) that is what makes this season feel that way.
All big ships turn into Zutara. Haha, that sounds awful, but I do think that the more popular a ship is the more likely that it's going to be the worst part of fandom. Honestly, this has been true for basically every fandom I've been in. Even HA! is a little annoying if you want to do anything but Helga/Arnold. I had the slight Helga/Wolfgang in that one chapter of Trying and I definitely got a message that was like: "I'M ONLY READING THIS FOR H/A YOU BETTER NOT HOOK HER UP WITH WOLFGANG." and like... I don't intend to hook her up with Wolfgang, but I'm also super interested in playing with different relationships (this is obviously part of the reason that I love Community so much - the writers aren't afraid to play with combinations).
What's funny with Jeff/Annie fans are that they started out very much as a crack ship, but the more the community and canon backing grows the larger their entitlement becomes. IDK, I feel like there was a time when they J/A was all about being excited for the little things and now it seems like they're getting... pushy. If people wanna think Jeff/Britta are secretly hooking up? You don't have to agree with them, but it's also kind of rude to expect them to defend themselves.
BASICALLY: I like Jeff/Annie! But pretty much exclusively in canon only! The fandom makes me uncomfortable!
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Date: 2010-11-17 09:49 pm (UTC)So much as it has to do with a lack of Jeff/PEOPLE HE LOVES.
This is exactly what's been happening. The thing with community is that we got to know Jeff during last season. Most of the B plots were about the other characters interacting with each other, while Jeff had his own personal growth on the A plot. This season has been moe like... shifting the spotlight to the other characters and their interactions, leaving Jeff with nothing to do. Which AGAIN, is confusing, because he IS the MAIN CHARACTER.
Also, is it just me, or have most of the characters been kind of bitter lately?
* Britta - season premiere, pen episode (she was really angry)
* Shirley - Charlie Kauffman episode
* Abed - he wasn't angry, but he was an asshole during the Charlie Kauffman episode
* Annie - pen episode
* Jeff - religion episode
* All of them towards Annie during the Space episode
I don't really know how to express it, but their characters DO seem to be a bit more stressed than last season...
Them trying to churn out too many "BIG" plots in the beginning.
I get Dan Harmon's fear of being canceled and not having done everything he wanted to, but... BIG episodes are only cool when they're done once in a while :\ You try eating Belgian chocolate every day of the year, and, while it won't stop being delicious, it won't be as special :\
It's like the SPRINKLES effect Modern Warfare had you mentioned.
I'M ONLY READING THIS FOR H/A YOU BETTER NOT HOOK HER UP WITH WOLFGANG."
... I wanted them to DO IT.
I feel like there was a time when they J/A was all about being excited for the little things and now it seems like they're getting... pushy.
I miss those days, when one glance would be heart-warming... I don't want them to be in a relationship, or have sex D: Glances are cute and adorable...
If people wanna think Jeff/Britta are secretly hooking up? You don't have to agree with them, but it's also kind of rude to expect them to defend themselves.
I... here's the thing... I don't mind it if Jeff/Britta shippers think they are hooking up, and are happy about it (however, I still don't SEE the hints to that... it would be pretty fun tho... I've been on a Jeff/Britta mood for the past couple of days).
I'm PISSED at Jeff/Annie shippers who think Jeff and Britta are secretly hooking up, and are ANGRY about that. HOW DARE YOU BE ANGRY AT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE HAPPENING.
BASICALLY: I like Jeff/Annie! But pretty much exclusively in canon only! The fandom makes me uncomfortable!
SO MUCH THIS. I've read a couple of fics. They both annoyed me with Jeff's "secret love"
UGH.
I'm really sorry about this hugeass comment... it's just nice being able to talk about this...
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Date: 2010-11-17 09:43 pm (UTC)It makes me so sad that Zutara is the posterchild for crazy shippers. We're not all bad.
But for the most part, I agree.
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Date: 2010-11-17 09:47 pm (UTC)Lol, I do realize that a lot of Zutara shippers are awesome (same goes for J/A fans), but I have a definite tendency to fixate on the non-awesome parts. And the bigger the fandom the more room for crazy, I think. XD
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Date: 2010-11-17 10:03 pm (UTC)http://carly-icons.livejournal.com/16006.html#cutid1
(I'll be making my own tho)
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Date: 2010-11-17 10:01 pm (UTC)LOL I know you're all not bad *hugs*. I'm a closet Zutarian (which means I kinda shipped them, but I didn't really care, and didn't wan't anybody else to find out). But you gotta admit... wanting to rewrite the ending of a show just because your ship doesn't share the final kiss is kind of insane :\
The ship war over the A:tLA fandom was just terrible TBH. That's why I love being a slasher. Nobody expects Jet and Zuko to live happily ever after. We're in it just for the fun and the gay porn.